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  11. Date: Thu, 27 Jun 91 04:18:27 -0400 (EDT)
  12. Subject: SPACE Digest V13 #725
  13.  
  14. SPACE Digest                                     Volume 13 : Issue 725
  15.  
  16. Today's Topics:
  17.                Crary's Quick Debunkings
  18.               Re: Microgravity?
  19.                Re: What's HUD?
  20.       Re: Mars "face" image data (uuencoded GIF format)
  21.             SPACE Digest V13 #615
  22.  
  23. Administrivia:
  24.  
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  31.  
  32. Date: 4 Jun 91 17:29:28 GMT
  33. From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@uunet.uu.net  (Daniel Fischer)
  34. Subject: Crary's Quick Debunkings
  35.  
  36.  
  37. [Sorry for not using the F-command for attributing the earlier articles here,
  38.  but the machine keeps replying "interp buffer overflow!" and cancels rn -
  39.  does someone know what this kryptic error message wants to tell me?]
  40.  
  41. Frank Crary wrote about our beloved 'Mars Face' and the VIKING photos of it:
  42. \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
  43. Both photos were taken when the sun was in a SLIGHTLY different position,
  44. however there are also photos with the sun in RADICALLY different positions,
  45. such as illuminating the opposite side. These photos, although a lower 
  46. resolution, clearly show a plateau that looks NOTHING like a face. Farther,
  47. in the photos that DO look like a face, the shadows cast by the plateau
  48. imply a shape very different from that of a face.
  49. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
  50.  
  51. Do you have a reference for these OTHER photos? Have they been published
  52. somewhere? To my knowledge (based mainly on an infamous paper in APPLIED
  53. OPTICS in 1988) there are only the two well-publicised VIKING photographs
  54. that have high enough resolution, and there's nothing with a resolution
  55. anywhere near that from other dates. And there is the photoclinometric
  56. analysis by Carlotto (in the aforementioned paper) that demonstrated
  57. convincingly that the actual topographic relief of the feature does indeed
  58. resemble a face, and that the visual impression given in the original
  59. VIKING frames reproduces the actual surface shape pretty well - the usual
  60. debunking of the thing that it is 'a play of light & shade' is incorrect!!!
  61.  
  62. So the thing is there, and one should do some actual physical studies with
  63. it:
  64. how likely is it that martian erosion forces create a thing that looks like a
  65. face? (I presume, it *is* likely, but why doesn't someone with a background
  66. in such stuff do some actual science here?) ONLY THIS WAY can we stop Mr.
  67. Hoaxland (pun intended) from spreading his stories and his fans from flooding
  68. the networks with his latest crap! Outdated debunking ('light & shade') can
  69. do
  70. only harm, now that the scientific investigation of the feature has come so
  71. far as it has come - the same thinking has discredited scientific UFOlogy in
  72. the past when too little attention was paid to the actual physical stimuli
  73. that were causing many of the UFO reports, stimuli from THIS world, of
  74. course.
  75.  
  76. ------------------------------
  77.  
  78. Date: 5 Jun 91 19:19:18 GMT
  79. From: agate!spool.mu.edu!mips!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Herman Rubin)
  80. Subject: Re: Microgravity?
  81.  
  82.  
  83. In article <1991Jun4.205819.12889@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu
  84. (Henry Spencer) writes:
  85. > In article <13163@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman
  86. Rubin) writes:
  87. > >... is this better than taking to 
  88. > >a substantial height (we do have ways to get drops of well over 7000
  89. meters)
  90. > 
  91. > The problem with substantial heights is air resistance.  As any skydiver
  92. will
  93. > tell you, an object released from an aircraft at any normal altitude is not
  94. > in free fall for more than a fraction of a second.  The drop-tube
  95. microgravity
  96. > facilities typically evacuate their tubes to a vacuum before drop.
  97.  
  98. I was thinking of taking the objects to be released to well over 20000
  99. meters,
  100. then releasing them, and using parachutes when they got low enough.  This
  101. would give the more than 7000 meters of low-pressure drop, and also a gradual
  102. deceleration at the end.  In addition, cameras can be used to observe objects
  103. not encased in containers.
  104. -- 
  105. Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
  106. Phone: (317)494-6054
  107. hrubin@l.cc.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)   {purdue,pur-ee}!l.cc!hrubin(UUCP)
  108.  
  109. ------------------------------
  110.  
  111. Date: 8 Jun 91 07:17:48 GMT
  112. From: unisoft!fai!sequent!muncher.sequent.com!szabo@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
  113. Subject: Re: What's HUD?
  114.  
  115. In article <B3394F00CE400065@BITNET.CC.CMU.EDU> F026@CPC865.EAST-ANGLIA.AC.UK (F026) writes:
  116. >Not being a US citizen, I have no idea what HUD stands for. Could someone
  117. >please enlighten me?
  118.  
  119. Department of "Housing and Urban Development".  These guys can build
  120. 2,000,000 houses on Earth for every one house NASA can build in space.
  121. Astronaut groupies believe that this one house, about the size of a
  122. Winnebago, provides a motivation for Congress to move money from HUD
  123. to NASA.
  124.  
  125.  
  126. -- 
  127. Nick Szabo                szabo@sequent.com
  128. "If you understand something the first time you see it, you probably
  129. knew it already.  The more bewildered you are, the more successful
  130. the mission was." -- Ed Stone, Voyager space explorer
  131.  
  132. ------------------------------
  133.  
  134. Date: 12 Jun 91 01:14:19 GMT
  135. From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!news@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU  (Rob Good)
  136. Subject: Re: Mars "face" image data (uuencoded GIF format)
  137.  
  138. I've converted these images from the previous format to uuencoded
  139. GIF format.  They were small files, so I posted them...
  140. What follows are the two uuencoded files.  Take your favorite editor,
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  350.  
  351. Date: Tue, 11 Jun 91 21:07 EST
  352. From: USF@VAX5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU
  353. Subject: SPACE Digest V13 #615
  354. X-Envelope-To: space+%andrew.cmu.edu@msu.edu
  355.  
  356. An International Civil Space Agency By 1993, An Idea Whose Time Has Come!
  357. Hello!, from the United Space Federation, Inc.
  358. Would you like to be added to our (E-Mail) support group?
  359. Thanks!
  360.  
  361.       O    O
  362.         ^      The Space Man!
  363.       :....:
  364.                Rick R. Dobson
  365.                Executive Director and Founder
  366.                United Space Federation, Inc.
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  376. X-News: vax5 sci.space:8227
  377.  
  378. >From: space-request+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU
  379. >Subject:SPACE Digest V13 #615
  380. >Date: 7 Jun 91 08:34:12 GMT
  381. >Message-ID:<9106072327.AA07384@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>
  382.  
  383. >Subject: Re: Building Infrastructure
  384. >
  385. >>> When was the last time somebody did a marketing survey and revenue/cost
  386. >>> statement for a space station?
  387. >
  388. >>Or a Jupiter probe, Venus mapper ...?
  389. >
  390. >Wasn't one of the space stations purposes (long, long ago, in an ad far, far..)
  391. >to do science.  For hire?  I.e. it would have customers?
  392. >
  393. >I guess voyager, et. al. could have customers.  I can see it now....
  394. >
  395. >"We got great color pictures of Jupiters moons. We got Europa, We got
  396. >Ganymeade.  Do I hear 10 million?  Gimme 10.5?  Sold, to the AAS.
  397. >Now on the stand, we got spectral analysis, freeze-frame photos, and
  398. >orbital elements. all suitable for framing, selling to USA Today, or
  399. >calculating wind velocities and atmosphere composition...."
  400. >
  401. >Seriously, how much would the various institutions be willing to pay
  402. >for this kind of data?  They could surely split the cost to make it
  403. >affordable to all of them.
  404. >
  405. >Speaking as one customer (taxpayer) for both these projects, I'd say
  406. >dollar for dollar, FED bombed (is bombing?) and Voyager, Magellan, etc.
  407. >have shined.  I say, let's put the $$ into the proven projects and
  408. >USEFUL pipe-dreams.  I mean, if you insist that we will go into space,
  409. >what is FED going to be?  Let's build a moon-base!  Now that's something
  410. >you can sell.  Raw materials, stable platform, built-in 25 hour clock,
  411. >radio-free zones, solar energy in big chunks, etc.
  412. >Besides, look what NASA did with their last station (which BTW, was better
  413. >than waht I understand FED would have been as it's plans last stood).
  414. >
  415. >Why don't YOU do a market survey.  I bet you'll find FED has few
  416. >actual 'customers', which in a market survey means "yer outta here!"
  417. >
  418. >Tom
  419. >Acknowledge-To: <18084TM@MSU>
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  423. End of SPACE Digest V13 #725
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